NCAA brackets released

**pvfan** · March 14th, 2011, 03:02 AM

If a team has played and defeated better, higher ranked teams, how is their schedule inferior?

Bama non conference opponents:

Florida A & M (8-20) RPI: 329
Troy (7-21) RPI: 266
Seton Hall (13-18) RPI: 102, Tide lose
Iowa (11-20) RPI: 185, Tide lose
St. Peters (20-13) RPI: 92, Tide lose
Alabama A & M (10-15) RPI: 308
South Alabama (10-16) RPI: 276
Purdue (25-7) RPI: 12, Tide lose
Providence (15-17) RPI: 153, Tide lose
Southeastern Lousiana (12-14) RPI: 226
Oklahoma State (19-13) RPI: 61, Tide lose
Pepperdine (11-21) RPI: 243
Toledo (3-28) RPI: 338
Lipscomb (16-13) RPI: 131

VCU non conference opponents:

UNC Greensboro (7-24) RPI: 298
Winthrop (11-17) RPI: 222
Wake Forest (8-24) RPI: 260
Tennessee (19-14) RPI: 34, Rams lose
UCLA (22-10) RPI: 44
South Florida (10-23) RPI: 154, Rams lose
VMI (14-13) RPI: 200
Richmond (27-7) RPI: 43, Rams lose
Tulane (10-17) RPI: 236
UAB (22-8) RPI: 31, Rams lose
Wofford (21-12) RPI: 109
New Hampshire (11-18) RPI: 274
Witchita State (23-8) RPI: 60
William & Mary (9-22) RPI: 228

Alabama non conference opponent combined record 180-236 with an average rpi of 194.4.

VCU non conference opponent combined record 214-217 with an average rpi of 153.3.

Next fallacy please.

**pvfan** · March 14th, 2011, 03:13 AM

SEC West Average RPI: 148.3
Colonial Average RPI: 134.7

SEC has 7 teams in the RPI top 100 (5 of the 7 are in the East)
Colonial has 6 teams in the RPI top 100

SEC Record Against RPI Top 50 49-76 (38 of these wins come from the East)
Colonial Record Against RPI Top 50 21-65

Alabama's not playing harder competition than VCU.

**heneedsa** · March 14th, 2011, 07:34 AM

Alabama is not in the tournament, get over it. Whether it is football or basketball Bama should be in everything just because their Bama. Well we are going to give you five months head start on why Bama's baseball team will not win NCAA Baseball Title and you can fill in the blank on who's to blame. Roll Tide to the NIT. Maybe they can at least make the final four in that. Play somebody next year and the argument goes away.

**Biggin** · March 14th, 2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by pvfan

SEC West Average RPI: 148.3
Colonial Average RPI: 134.7

SEC has 7 teams in the RPI top 100 (5 of the 7 are in the East)
Colonial has 6 teams in the RPI top 100

SEC Record Against RPI Top 50 49-76 (38 of these wins come from the East)
Colonial Record Against RPI Top 50 21-65

Alabama's not playing harder competition than VCU.

Alabama played 8 games v. SECEast and 8 games v. SECWest.
Alabama was also 5-3 v. the SEC East with wins over UK, UT, and UGA x2.

The SEC is clearly, clearly superior to the CAA.

I like how you only did the RPI average for the West, Bama played as many teams from the East as they did the West.

**Biggin** · March 14th, 2011, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by heneedsa

Alabama is not in the tournament, get over it. Whether it is football or basketball Bama should be in everything just because their Bama. Well we are going to give you five months head start on why Bama's baseball team will not win NCAA Baseball Title and you can fill in the blank on who's to blame. Roll Tide to the NIT. Maybe they can at least make the final four in that. Play somebody next year and the argument goes away.

If you cant provide an argument to refute me, then your posts are worthless.

We are actually discussing facts and figures, not your own personal jealousy of Alabama.

a guy who has took shots at Bama all year even agreed that a couple teams getting in over Alabama was ridiculous.

**Biggin** · March 14th, 2011, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by pvfan

Bama non conference opponents:

Florida A & M (8-20) RPI: 329
Troy (7-21) RPI: 266
Seton Hall (13-18) RPI: 102, Tide lose
Iowa (11-20) RPI: 185, Tide lose
St. Peters (20-13) RPI: 92, Tide lose
Alabama A & M (10-15) RPI: 308
South Alabama (10-16) RPI: 276
Purdue (25-7) RPI: 12, Tide lose
Providence (15-17) RPI: 153, Tide lose
Southeastern Lousiana (12-14) RPI: 226
Oklahoma State (19-13) RPI: 61, Tide lose
Pepperdine (11-21) RPI: 243
Toledo (3-28) RPI: 338
Lipscomb (16-13) RPI: 131

VCU non conference opponents:

UNC Greensboro (7-24) RPI: 298
Winthrop (11-17) RPI: 222
Wake Forest (8-24) RPI: 260
Tennessee (19-14) RPI: 34, Rams lose
UCLA (22-10) RPI: 44
South Florida (10-23) RPI: 154, Rams lose
VMI (14-13) RPI: 200
Richmond (27-7) RPI: 43, Rams lose
Tulane (10-17) RPI: 236
UAB (22-8) RPI: 31, Rams lose
Wofford (21-12) RPI: 109
New Hampshire (11-18) RPI: 274
Witchita State (23-8) RPI: 60
William & Mary (9-22) RPI: 228

Alabama non conference opponent combined record 180-236 with an average rpi of 194.4.

VCU non conference opponent combined record 214-217 with an average rpi of 153.3.

Next fallacy please.

at Mississippi State (119)
USC (134)
at Arkanas (128)
Kentucky (7)
Auburn (256)
LSU (227)
MSU (119)
UT (33)
Vandy (27)
Ole Miss (83)
LSU (227)
Arkansas (128)
Auburn (256)
Ole Miss (83)
UF (8)
UGA (47)
UGA (47)

Alabama conference RPI average: 113

GA State (223)
Drexel (74)
UNC Wilmington (218)
W&M (228)
Northeastern (178)
GA State (223)
ODU (20)
Townson (287)
Hofstra (86)
NCW (218)
Northeastern (178)
JMU (88)
Delaware (140)
ODU (20)
GMU (24)
Drexel (74)
Hofstra (88)

VCU Conference RPI: 139

**MikMo** · March 14th, 2011, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Unchained

Must be a bunch of whinos doing the selecting. The seeding is a joke too. Florida at a 2 and UK at a 4 with UK hammering them today and beating them twice this year....

Indeed so. I saw that seeding and was wondering what the selection committee was basing their judgement on, because it sure wasn't the fact that UK just laid the whoopin' on Florida by what, 16 points?

**pvfan** · March 14th, 2011, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

at Mississippi State (119)
USC (134)
at Arkanas (128)
Kentucky (7)
Auburn (256)
LSU (227)
MSU (119)
UT (33)
Vandy (27)
Ole Miss (83)
LSU (227)
Arkansas (128)
Auburn (256)
Ole Miss (83)
UF (8)
UGA (47)
UGA (47)

Alabama conference RPI average: 113

GA State (223)
Drexel (74)
UNC Wilmington (218)
W&M (228)
Northeastern (178)
GA State (223)
ODU (20)
Townson (287)
Hofstra (86)
NCW (218)
Northeastern (178)
JMU (88)
Delaware (140)
ODU (20)
GMU (24)
Drexel (74)
Hofstra (88)

VCU Conference RPI: 139

Right, thanks for showing that even with a higher conference rpi the Tide played a worse schedule.

**Biggin** · March 14th, 2011, 05:35 PM

153-Bama combined RPI OOC and SEC

146-VCU combined RPI OOC and CAA

So the difference is practically negligible

So when the SOS is that close, whats the most logical indicator to use?

How bout WINS?

Both teams have bad losses, four a piece.
One team has beaten top 50 opponents 50% of the time, splitting with the best teams on their schedule
The other has lost to the best teams 57% of the time and has NO wins over the RPI Top 10.

Shouldnt wins be the most important criteria??

Alabama's best win is RPI 6 Kentucky. (UK has NINE wins over RPI top 50 and FOUR over RPI Top 25 (8x2, 9, 17, 27, 33, 36, 48)
VCU's is 20 GMU. (who has only THREE wins v. RPI Top 50 and ONE win over top 25 (20, 35, 48).

Beating UK should count for at least 2x as much as beating GMU.

Bama's best road win is at 33 RPI UT (a team with wins over Pitt, Nova, Vandy x2, etc..)
VCU's is 20 RPI ODU (a team with wins over....George Mason? Xavier? doesnt stack up to UTs wins)

(let's look at those two teams, UT and ODU. Both are 9 seeds. ODU has ZERO wins over top 20 RPI and six wins over top 50 RPI (24, 26, 42, 43, 48).
UT has EIGHT wins over RPI top 50 and a win over RPI Top 10 (10, 27, 28, 37, 44, 48, 49). ODU has a good record against top 50 (6-4), better than UT (8-8), but UT has much better wins. )

Theres no point in continuing this, I truly believe (as do almost EVERY big time college analyst and prognosticators out there) that Alabama deserved to be in over UAB and VCU both. It basically boils down your opinion vs. the opinion of the biggest college coaches, analysts, etc..